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Celtic_Steve
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I notice no-one has mentioned this, but you are aware that the website is screwed, right?
Other than the front page all the other content is all over the place. It looks to me (as an author of webpages where this has happened a couple of times) like someone has either deleted a tag or mis-typed something that's sent the layout off kilter.
You're probably aware already but I just thought I'd mention it.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:44 pm Post subject: |
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I was looking at your source to see if I could spot what it was and I don't know if this is intentional but it is irregular:
On the index.html page this is the CSS link in the head of the page which displays properly:
<link rel="stylesheet" href="Css_Js/csfl1.css" type="text/css">
On the fixtures/divthree/index.html page it shows as this:
<link rel="stylesheet" href="../../csfl/Css_Js/csfl1.css" type="text/css">
The ../../ force it back to the root but the inclusion of the csfl/ in the link make it use a different CSS.
If it were:
<link rel="stylesheet" href="../../Css_Js/csfl1.css" type="text/css">
then it would use the same CSS as the home page.
Again, don't know if that was intentional or not but I thought I should mention it.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, just to back that up the csfl/Css_Js/csfl1.css gives you a 404 not found whereas Css_Js/csfl1.css shows a nice CSS.
Do I win the prize? 
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 2:38 pm Post subject: |
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I'll give you a prize just for saying nice CSS  
Anyway, noted and received your message thanks Celtic_Steve. I'm back in the land of the living and will get it sorted (along with the updates) today.
PS: before anyone asks, no, I don't know how long It'll be until the site's updated. It'll be done when it's done. Thanks as always 
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Thinking about it, I think I ought to work with Webbo on getting the entire website re-written  I have looked at some of the coding, and although mainly done with Notepad (originally), it's still no excuse for such slack coding! - Lesson to those wanting to learn HTML.... do not look at our websites' source as it is absolutely terrible and not very well laid out either.  Well, until the 2008-09 site is released anyway!
Pains me to even think it, but it would be much better in my opinion to completely re-write it and dump the current sites' code. This means quite a few hours coding work Webbo, so if you're still up for it, I could use the assistance I think - need to release the new site during the closed season so not long to do it.
And finally(!!), I have managed to write a nice little program that can physically write HTML code in the "tables" sector, so that plus the formulae that I will put in place will mean that once the results are entered and saved, the Tables areas will ALL completely update themselves! Now I only have to ensure it will work without bugs with Web Software and will not screw up on publication of website  That saves 45mins every week (or more for those less experienced)!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Admin (No PMs Please!) wrote: | | Thinking about it, I think I ought to work with Webbo on getting the entire website re-written |
Ready when you are matey to get together!?
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| Webbo1981 wrote: | | Admin (No PMs Please!) wrote: | | Thinking about it, I think I ought to work with Webbo on getting the entire website re-written |
Ready when you are matey to get together!? |
Are you at work at the minute? If so, what time do you finish? I will ring you tonight to arrange date(s) and time to get started, when you have a while free to talk at a little length on what needs doing, what you want to do, how/when/where etc etc, yada yada......
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| Celtic_Steve wrote: | I was looking at your source to see if I could spot what it was and I don't know if this is intentional but it is irregular:
On the index.html page this is the CSS link in the head of the page which displays properly:
<link rel="stylesheet" href="Css_Js/csfl1.css" type="text/css">
On the fixtures/divthree/index.html page it shows as this:
<link rel="stylesheet" href="../../csfl/Css_Js/csfl1.css" type="text/css">
The ../../ force it back to the root but the inclusion of the csfl/ in the link make it use a different CSS.
If it were:
<link rel="stylesheet" href="../../Css_Js/csfl1.css" type="text/css">
then it would use the same CSS as the home page.
Again, don't know if that was intentional or not but I thought I should mention it. |
Clearly not intentional to have the site looking that pathetic Pathways all amended (I think/hope), but if still the odd page like this then please let me know which one(s) and I'll get straight onto it.
Thanks.
PS: Celtic_Steve, you should know as I do that to force back more than 3 times is bad practice? - Structural integrity should not be that complex for any website (not even ecommerce) so that was an immediate giveaway for me  For ecommerce, 3 force-backs are considered most to use, and non-commercial websites should ideally have no more than 2 force-backs, otherwise the website is too complex for what is trying to be achieved and too much un-necessary work has been done by the coder(s) (especially with the aid of so many scripting possibilities nowadays!).
Final note is that the "csfl" folder is a private folder with no CSS held in it, so the folder is scripted to never appear to anyone but myself. Published, but that page is missing (ergo the 404 error), but the other pages that are present would only show viewers the error for "not permitted" (forget what error code that is but you know what I mean!).
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Webbo1981
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Admin (No PMs Please!) wrote: | | Webbo1981 wrote: | | Admin (No PMs Please!) wrote: | | Thinking about it, I think I ought to work with Webbo on getting the entire website re-written |
Ready when you are matey to get together!? |
Are you at work at the minute? If so, what time do you finish? I will ring you tonight to arrange date(s) and time to get started, when you have a while free to talk at a little length on what needs doing, what you want to do, how/when/where etc etc, yada yada...... |
Well I have training for the Pied Bull tonight between 7 and 8. Then I am watching my faves Man U straight after! So if you want to call before 7 then please do so!
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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Will call you on your mobile number at 5:30pm tonight. Cheers.
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Celtic_Steve
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Thinking about it, I think I ought to work with Webbo on getting the entire website re-written |
If you guys need a hand then I'm still willing to help - I just haven't got the time to sit down whilst you discuss the design. But, if you need something along the lines of "Steve, I need 10 pages coding to this spec", then no worries, just let me know.
Cheers,
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| Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:18 pm Post subject: |
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Will keep in mind if we need further assistance, thanks.
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Webbo, how have you been getting on refreshing your old grey matter? Are you about there?
Let me know how far you've got, and I'll get a date free to pop round and take it to the next level (beginning working on the '08-'09 site) -- I have already made a start on this, but we'll see what ideas you come up with, before we start using what I've already done (if we use it!).
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bobstabik
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:18 pm Post subject: Web Site Content reply |
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Yes i agree with everything you have said, basically its a template available from another web site, you get what you pay for.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject: Re: Web Site Content reply |
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| bobstabik wrote: | | Yes i agree with everything you have said, basically its a template available from another web site, you get what you pay for. |
I am sick and tired of this load of rubbish!
"It's a template from another website, you get what you pay for." Thanks for your useful comment Bob. And I'll say this only once more because I am sick of trying to defend myself (although not sure why I have to ):
a) The website was coded by myself in my own free time and I did not copy any aspect of the website -- I wish people would think about this before opening their mouths!! What realistically can you have on a football League website....? It's always the same no matter what League, no matter where the League is situated! Get over it!
b) You do get what you pay for Bob, which is why I asked whether this forum (and partially the website) was even worth keeping. Please feel free to cast your vote on this when you find the thread. If you want 100% reliability and updates on the spot, you are crazy... the word "volunteer" has it's meaning for a reason -- I do not see you offering your services or somebody else's services for the love of the game/League like I have done as well as the other League Committee Members as well as the Club Secretaries?
My basic words are this (and then I am locking the topic):
Put up or shut up! Make a useful contribution instead of getting on people's backs, or bugger off.
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